tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post7093859588407765511..comments2023-11-05T04:01:12.146-05:00Comments on Ad Aged: Some thoughts on despair.george tannenbaumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10974259094860905139noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post-63988314035608779912011-11-08T11:26:23.609-05:002011-11-08T11:26:23.609-05:00Thanks Peggy! We will. Fight the good fight.Thanks Peggy! We will. Fight the good fight.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post-88717083993260611732011-11-07T20:46:17.060-05:002011-11-07T20:46:17.060-05:00I agree with you George, that those little pins an...I agree with you George, that those little pins and armbands and such have come to conveniently make us feel they are contributing meaningfully, when it's just an easy and "safe" and cheap way to sort of take sides without sticking our necks out too far. That's obviously a luxury way of protesting, or contributing. <br />No consequences other than losing some pocket change. Only when the pain is unbearable, when enough of us get really desperate, may we see real action. That may not be a nice thing.Tore Claessonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04978163002830730401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post-4373582043560467532011-11-07T20:05:17.326-05:002011-11-07T20:05:17.326-05:00george, i believe talking about it makes a differe...george, i believe talking about it makes a difference. as much as 'awareness' is bashed around the head, it is the first step in a process. it shouldnt stop there though. a pin can be an easy cop-out. but it doesnt have to be. silence can be an easy cop-out. and it is. i think it is good that people talk to each other. and not get talked down on by people who got their own best interests at heart. sometimes you have to stand up for yourself and make yourself heard, all in a peaceful way, of course. thats the good thing about democracy - you actually can if you want to. or maybe thats all naive theory... ive seen some ugly video footage (madrid may 2011, oakland, athens etc.) which somehow reminded me of footage recorded in the west bank...<br /><br />hey tim, i agree with your evaluation concerning the two movements in that they both are fuelled by the economic situation. but i do find the tea party to be heartless, ego-centric and full of inane rhetoric... i dont think that about ows. yet. the occupy movement got no leaders really (isnt that what the tea party in its final consequence also wants, maybe you are right, ha). btw, i find it ironic how, since its been initiated by adbusters, ad-related organizations want to hijack it. be it boguskys <i>fearless</i> or a <i>boulder digital works / fearless website</i> which mimics to be a global hub for it all... talking about The Enemy in this context reminds me of a book title by chomsky: "profit over people war against people"... and concerning thanksgiving, i suggest you all pray together ;) <br /><br />sorry for hijacking your blog, george.peggynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post-7650931749153993122011-11-07T16:37:57.464-05:002011-11-07T16:37:57.464-05:00Hi there Peggy! As one of the lowest forms of poli...Hi there Peggy! As one of the lowest forms of political life to ever crawl out of the pond and stand up on his own hind legs (gasp! a moderate republican), let me assure you I'm not against OWS or the Tea Party (which is the flip side of the same coin). Like I said, I just find them both depressing. In all the rhetoric, I find very little genuine humanity. There is no Noble Opposition only The Enemy. I'm from a divided family so I'm probably just dreading having to go home for Thanksgiving. Pray for me.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post-23974141746749089222011-11-07T15:26:57.319-05:002011-11-07T15:26:57.319-05:00My point wasn't to call in to question the val...My point wasn't to call in to question the validity of any cause--particularly good causes. My question was really, does growing a mustache to fight cancer really do any good. I admire those who have taken their money from Bank of America and move it to a credit union. My questions are<br />a) can we really resist in a substantial way? b) will loudmouths really hurt the bank c) will any of it make a difference?<br /><br />We have supported, all of us, governments in the pocket of the military-industrial complex. America might be the Nazis of the 21st century. But we go home to our homes and watch TV on stations owned by defense contractors and right-wing ideologues.<br /><br />Is wearing a lapel pin fighting the fight?george tannenbaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10974259094860905139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post-53996981993392169892011-11-07T15:01:35.417-05:002011-11-07T15:01:35.417-05:00or privatizing profits and socializing losses. thi...or privatizing profits and socializing losses. this is not healthy for the whole of societies anywhere, obviously.peggynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post-75018742690482930462011-11-07T14:29:15.954-05:002011-11-07T14:29:15.954-05:00the occupy wall street is an interesting thing hap...the occupy wall street is an interesting thing happening. On one hand i'm sure it's the basis of a real undertow which may rise and grow and become truly powerful if it hits the right note. On the other it seems as if certain reporters of the movement is now only focusing on what appears to be fringes of the movement. Thus clearly trying to undermine its seriousness and seriousity. Things like petty crime, filth, etc. that clearly and unfortunately happen anywhere and everywhere people are gathered for whatever reason. On an average day Penn Station (my commuter hub) for example sees its fair share of petty crime, filthy toilets, bums and drugs, and that's a place patrolled by heavily armed troops, plain clad cops, and dog patrols. Wit that logic we better close Penn Station. I am not taking active part in the demonstrations on Wall Street, but I do think they are warranted and important. Greed has gone too far in many ways. And as someone expressed it" "We live in a nation where there's socialism for the super rich and capitalism for the poor".Tore Claessonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04978163002830730401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post-39881757643629859462011-11-07T13:06:11.004-05:002011-11-07T13:06:11.004-05:00what are the mindsets dominating ows like tim? or ...what are the mindsets dominating ows like tim? or those dominating the tea party? and how come you find them both depressing? id like to know. i take it you oppose the ows movement.peggynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post-71632827176852100422011-11-07T12:47:33.592-05:002011-11-07T12:47:33.592-05:00We do live in the age of the 'magnificent gest...We do live in the age of the 'magnificent gesture.' I suppose we're partially responsible. What I find more depressing than mindsets that dominate OWS and the Tes Party, is the mantra we hear from everywhere that moderation is no longer an option. That 'There will be blood." as Daniel Day Lewis said.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post-11931406421362901312011-11-07T12:04:58.531-05:002011-11-07T12:04:58.531-05:00First of, Occupy Wall Street is the first bonafide...First of, Occupy Wall Street is the first bonafide rebuttal of the military industrial banking oligarchy in decades. Thumbs up for that (drum circles etc notwithstanding). This is downward mobility George. The American Empire is going the way of its British cousins.And i Think you'll eventually see it in our industry as well, especially as digital media, apps, platforms proliferate. 8 guys in Tajikistan van create the next Rovio. Trotsky and Marx were right after all, tho not in the way they imagined they would be. Decline is never fun, esp as it gains velocity. Look at Greece.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6072420181476584961.post-8601364531628252522011-11-07T11:27:34.704-05:002011-11-07T11:27:34.704-05:00everything has to start somewhere... winning minds...everything has to start somewhere... winning minds (and hearts if existent) is the hardest part, especially of those who <i>can</i> change things -- the ones who would lose a bit of money and influence in the short term... but what could they win... there are things we all might lose otherwise... "the love of money is the root..." we will see.peggynoreply@blogger.com